http://www.trosch.org/bks/islm/allah_false_god.html

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"Pope John Paul II (antiChrist) – He, with equal vigor, kisses dirt and the Muslim Holy Book that denies the divinity of Jesus and the existence of the Holy Trinity. A sacrilege in the sense that by acknowledging any degree of validity or holiness concerning the Koran –that denigrates the Holy Trinity and denies the divinity of Jesus Christ– he has denied the validity of the teachings of Sacred Scripture. – Pope John Paul II, a cardinal, a bishop, or anyone else who attempts to in any way validate the false god of Islam is not only a heretic, but an anti-Christ subject to eternal condemnation."

LOL. Atargfirullaha rabbi min kulli zambin watubeh aleh!!! :angry

I wanna be stupid AND ignorant! This dude, aka "Father David C. Trosch" does not accept his own authoritcal figure...or wait, he may not even be roman-catholic, but instead of blindly and IGNORANTLY spreading hate speech, why does not he come forward and tell us that anyone who doesn't believe in trinity is condemned to hell, thus devalifying his depiction of islam being cruel. At least ALLAH has promised and stretched his mercy to ALL of mankind. What a pathetic loser. :hoho

i know right.....i emailed the wrietr of this article..and lets see us"Harami" ko akal aati hai kay nahi
i also displayed some evidences of allah swt's existance

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Practically speaking, Allah can only be a fabrication of man's imagination.  Allah is a human construct that serves humanistic purposes.  The concept Allah should be seen as a totally unmotivated existence without purpose or need for using reason;  a being without impetus to create.

lol. Why-o-Why is he confusing the limited \"do not ask question\" CHRISTIAN theory with islam? At least there is something called ISLAMOLOGY! What do you have, dude?

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Allah is an imaginary construct, not a reality.

I see, so what about certain miracles, such as this baby's hand shaping \"Laailaaha Illallaahu Muhammadur rasoolullah\" ...or what about Schwarzwald (Black Forest, in germany) having entire tree branches forming the kalimah, or the endless fruits shaping to \"Allah\" ...Adhaan being heard from out of space, surely...this is not a Muslims main objective in religion and belief, it only serves to show \"Allah ki Shaan\".

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It is a construct in part formulated by using Judeo-Christian teachings (Scriptures) derived within Mohammed's imagination in association with his wife who financially provided for him.

Interesting. Even more so, that the prophet (saws) could not read or write, and the Qureshi ppl were desertaires, nothing to do with christianity. Ironically, history is slapping this dude right across his face! lol.

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Mohammed's first and only true wife was a Catholic-Christian (who highly venerated the \\"Blessed Virgin Mary\\").  The only form of Christian of that place and time frame.

LMAO. o-kay, now this speaks truly for itself :sarc

He even has an "Islam Index" :! lol. "John Paul- The Murdere" "Black Genocide" ...wow, i feel humanistically so attracted to this dude.

Ya Allah Madad....

do not listen to such an ignorant idiot.. he does not know nothing and the hell doors are open to him..

total BS
ignore this guy and it is better to not share ignorant stuff like this with fellow muslims. It can be very misleading.
they complain about us when they cant even explain what they believe in. Not a single christian can explain the trinity.They say that u cant understand jesus unless u have the holy spirit :hoho :hoho

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Originally posted by Punjabi Khocha             total BS ignore this guy and it  is better to not share ignorant stuff like this with fellow muslims. It can be very misleading.   they complain about us when they cant even explain what they believe in. Not a single christian can explain the trinity.They  say that u cant understand jesus unless u have the holy spirit :hoho :hoho

lol, and some muslims acctually covert to christians.. those people are stupid that convert to christianity...

dont listen to what this father (whoever) is saying. the thing he said about pope john paul II, is gonna get him killed by christians, anyway.

hes not worth reading!!!

hah...what a father, teaching people to HATE!!! awesome!!

Yaar, i don't get opne thing. All of us knows that people can create any pages they want. Why we take it so serious. If we want to do something hen we have to prove ourselves. We won't get any thing by saying why he post it and why he post that. We should make ourself strong and proves ourselves. Yeh batoon say kuch nahin hota. Same thing I saw some thread with Holy prophet picture. Ok, these things are bad but to tell more people about and discuss don't do good. Taken action against them by crashing aeroplane to there pride is not a good idea also. We should be realistic and we should develop ourselves so that we look attractive. By all these angers and every thing we are proving ourselves tobe non practical and that's the reason we are suffering in the world now and are kept backward.

Before I comment on the article I’d like to say few things. In case of any attack against Islam there are two ways to tackle the situation. Either 1. Ignore it or 2. Take action. The key is to evaluate the possible impact of it.

1. There is no way you can control people who put such things on the Internet. In general when people forward emails with a list of certain websites not to visit, out of curiosity many people do visit them. Every single hit makes them popular. If you don’t share it many will die with ignorance. For instance I went to the above website three times and then finally saved it on hard drive so I don’t have to go again. For discussion purposes I think the best way is to paste the article instead of sharing the source. For this website the biased tone is evident; moreover, he is speaking against the JP II, I doubt he will gain much popularity. Though its available in five languages.

2. Some situations require immediate attention for example if it appears in a widely published Newspaper or Television. When condemning the source, be diplomatic and non-emotional. The best way is to report such incident to a local organization who have the expertise to deal with such an issue. For instance you can report to CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations) they have a whole department primarily dealing with such issues. Actually what you do is that you report a story (positive and negative both) of a newspaper or TV to them (CAIR) after they verify they send it to different professionals all across U.S. A strategy is then designed from the feedback. Usually their team of experts then formulate the response and send it to thousands of people through CAIR Action Alert. All you’ve to do is to copy the text and send an email to the editor or author. I urge everyone to join their mailing list. Believe it or not it is very effective. Their web site is http://www.cair-net.org A current request is given below.

IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUESTED: (As always, be POLITE and RESPECTFUL. Calls are best, followed by faxes and then e-mails.)
Contact President Bush to ask that he withdraw the nomination of Daniel Pipes to the board of the United States Institute of Peace.
IMPORTANT NOTE: Call even if you responded to previous action alerts on this issue. Please ask your family, friends and colleagues to also call, e-mail or fax the president.
CONTACT:
President George W. Bush
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W.
Washington, DC 20500
TEL: 202-456-1414
COMMENT LINE: 202-456-1111
FAX: 202-456-2461
E-MAIL: president@whitehouse.gov
COPY TO: greggstaff@labor.senate.gov, senator@kennedy.senate.gov,
cair@cair-net.org

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In the Christian Trinity it is the members (Yahweh [Father], Jesus [Son - Isa], Paraclete [Holy Spirit] ) very differences that are seen as motivation for them to create.  There is no similar motivation to be seen in the singular being termed Allah.  In the Trinity the form of the existence of one is not the form of the existence of the others.  The creation of subordinate intellectual beings gives reason for trinitarian unity (oneness) and also purpose relating to each individual's form of existence. Trinity: a collection of three different uniquely identifiable beings having a constructive, purposeful, interrelated, and intermingled existence. [various terms use to identity a group of beings:  God, army, fraternity, flock]

1. The statement itself is flawed and contradicts itself. If someone believes 1+1+1 = 1 then all I can say is that their math is wrong. Secondly, by comparing three gods with Army or flock or fraternity, my question is that can they always move, agree and run the system smoothly together…IMPOSSIBLE. At some point Army can have mutiny, members will have disagreement in fraternity etc. One God is running everything smoothly since the creation of earth, the day, the night and other miracles are clear sign that system is flawless without any breaks, no power failure of Sun unlike the east coast or relying on any backup whatsoever…lol. Everything on schedule working as its suppose to Subhana’Allah. Right word would be PERFECT.

2. We all believe including Christians that there is no beginning and no end to God. He always existed and will always exist. Why do any living thing for instance human being need off spring?. To continue their generation as everything is mortal. When God ALWAYS EXISTED and will ALWAYS EXIST why would he need a SON? He doesn’t need to continue his generation. Secondly our believe is that God is pure and clean from all the human emotions and passions.

3. We all accept that God is immortal and he controls the whole world. Believing from Christian’s point of view, how can JESUS die when he is a SON of GOD thus also a GOD. How can he DIE? God was so helpless that he can control every tiny thing in the world but couldn’t prevent his own SON’s death?

I can go on and on but I am not gonna waste more time discussing a belief that makes no sense to me. Besides if you analyze the tone right from the beginning his biased views are evident towards Islam. He is forcing his own believes along with usual attacks on Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and Islam. Text quoted is blown out of context. I couldn’t grasp the concept of ‘HOLY SPIRIT’ from Christian’s point of view. If someone has the knowledge please share it. However, for Muslims “The Holy Spirit is a term for the angel of Revelation, Gabriel (on whom be peace)”.
Khair, I couldn’t careless about his views for John Paul II. However, I am posting an article Who is Allah. That’s an excellent read you’ll see the first and last page answers most of the doubts raised by Mr. Trosch.

But with this in mind shouldn’t we question our own faith as well. Why do we believe what we believe? After all we are all (most of us) born into religion. What’s the difference between those Idol worshippers in Makkah before Islam came and us?. After all they followed their ancestors blindly, aren’t majority of us doing the same? Prophet Ibrahim (AS) didn’t follow his father. He questioned, reasoned and found the truth himself. What if all of us are walking on the wrong path? If you are trying to convince a non-Muslim would you start quoting Qur’an and Hadith. Why should he believe that Qur’an is the word of God. You’ve to prove the credibility and for that you need to know the basics first. Blind faith leads us nowhere. Rejecting or accepting any body’s claim without investigation is unjustified. There is a difference between discovering the truth and truth being fed. Choose the first one; your faith will be stronger, you can convince a Non-Muslim with evidence, choose the second you’ll reject saying enemies of Islam do that, it will not be a sufficient proof to convince a non-Muslim. Dig the truth and Insha’Allah you will not be disappointed. The ONLY topic THOROUGHLY discussed here is HIJAB, there are several basic things we can discuss such as the reasons, the logic, behind prayers the way we perform the timings at which we perform their significance etc.
Disclaimer: I am not claiming I’ve all the answers and my faith is not completely blind or in someway I am pious because I am not. There are thousand of questions in my mind that need an answer.

thats a good website... and i just saw a article... sesame street over islam.. just shows what american stuff might do to muslims in the muslims countries...

There was a young man who went overseas to study for quite a long time.

When he returned, he asked his parents to find him a religious scholar or any expert who could answer his 3 questions. Finally, his parents were able to find a Muslim scholar. Young Man: Who are you? Can you answer my questions?


Scholar: I am one of Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala )'s slaves and insha-Allah (God willing), I will be able to answer your questions.


Young Man: Are you sure? A lot of Professors and experts were not able to answer my questions.


Scholar: I will try my best, with the help of Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala ).
Young Man: I have 3 questions:


1. Does God exist? If so, show me His shape.

2. What is takdir (fate)?

3. If shaitan (Devil) was created from the fire, why at the end he will be thrown to hell that also created from fire. It certainly will not hurt him at all, since Shaitan (Devil) and the hell were created from fire. Did God not think of it this far?

Suddenly, the Scholar slapped the young man's face very hard.

Young Man (feeling pain): Why do you get angry at me?

Scholar: I am not angry. The slap is my answer to your three questions.

Young Man: I really don't understand.

Scholar: How do you feel after I slapped you?

Young Man: Of course, I felt the pain.

Scholar: So do you believe that pain exists?

Young Man: Yes.

Scholar: Show me the shape of the pain!

Young Man: I cannot.

Scholar: That is my first answer. All of us feel God's existence without
being able to see His shape.

Scholar: Last night, did you dream that you will be slapped by me?

Young Man: No.

Scholar: Did you ever think that you will get a slap from me, today?

Young Man: No.

Scholar: That is takdir (fate).

Scholar: My hand that I used to slap you, what is it created
from?

Young Man: It is created from skin..

Scholar : How about your face, what is it created from?

Young Man: Skin.

Scholar: How do you feel after I slapped you?

Young Man: In pain.

Scholar:Even though Shaitan (Devil) and also the hell were
created from the fire, if Allah wants, insha-Allah (God willing), the hell
will become a very painful place for Shaitan (Devil).

Assalam o Alaikum,


I just wanted to share this email with everyone.

May Allah Bless All The Muslim Umma and plz people open your hearts and minds, and think different and Big.


Allah Hafiz.