Quick Questions, KishMish Options

[Panga is Changa]

The Bible has only 4 gospels out of God knows how many. The only texts Muhammad (SAAS) could've gotten access to were those 4. The others including Gospel of Mary were hidden in Churches in Europe. Christians are too worried about exposing these gospels because they can be contradictory to one another. Therefore they took 4 books and called it the New Testament.

So when Allah (SWT) reveals this verse to Muhammad (SAAS) He is clearly stating Muhammad (SAAS) has no prior knowledge of the events during Mary's time.

Muslims do believe some of the Gospels speak the truth. KM- You should ask your friend where in the Bible Jesus claims to be God. Nowhere does he say "I am God" up until the final book in John where he says "I AM" Why don't the other 3 books say he's God.

[d-tox..ed]

No more quick questions???

[DopeYmundA]

^ whats the ahmedi stance on Jihad?

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^ whats the ahmedi stance on Jihad?

The same stance which was of Holy Prophet SAW and what Holy Quran says.

[Inc0gnito]

Ahmadi stance on Jihad says to run like a cat and hide like an ostrich when the time for Jihad comes - Aka asylum. tun tunna tun!

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Ahmadi stance on Jihad says to run like a cat and hide like an ostrich when the time for Jihad comes - Aka asylum. tun tunna tun!

We obey the commandment of Allah when it comes to Jihad....and sunnah of Holy Prophet SAW....

[Inc0gnito]

The only Jihad I see from the Ahmadis are Asylum petitions.

"From today human Jihad that was done with sword has been abrogated by Allah's command. Now any one who uses sword against non-believers and calls himself ghazi disobeys the Holy Porphet pbuh. (Majmooa Ishtaharat Vol III 295)"

[PakiRebel]

Jihad means Struggle. That just explains everything. It could be from a Pen to a Sword. The best one is within yourself.

This post has been edited by PakiRebel: Jul 1 2010, 05:48 AM

[d-tox..ed]

Jihad means Struggle. That just explains everything. It could be from a Pen to a Sword. The best one is within yourself.

PakiRebel has summed this beautifully....

InCognito...it is your old habbit to take words from here and there (taane baane jorna) and protray them in wrong sence. There is a whole philosophy behind Jihad....the question was asked and I have answered it as simply as I could.

[Inc0gnito]

PakiRebel has summed this beautifully....

InCognito...it is your old habbit to take words from here and there (taane baane jorna) and protray them in wrong sence. There is a whole philosophy behind Jihad....the question was asked and I have answered it as simply as I could.

Yeah but Mirza Ghulam Ahmad said.. "Forget the sword lets just take a pen and fill out some asylum petitions."

d-tox - I agree with you. I have a way with words. Which is why an Ahmadi once said, "If you were an Ahmadi, you'd make a kick ass one."

This post has been edited by Inc0gnito: Jul 1 2010, 09:31 AM

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Yeah but Mirza Ghulam Ahmad said.. "Forget the sword lets just take a pen and fill out some asylum petitions."

d-tox - I agree with you. I have a way with words. Which is why an Ahmadi once said, "If you were an Ahmadi, you'd make a kick ass one."

lolz..perhaps thats why you are not one yet....but inshallah as I am making good impression on you... and once this kick ass ideology goes away u ll find ways of viewing things differently.

[BeL@L]

My question is slightly different than your typical religious kind of debates

Well, Quran narrates that ALLAH (SWT) loves us like a mother even 70 times more than a mother, Agree. But how He see us when we are in pain or when we wish something from Him, but He don;t give us...Does ALLAH love us like according to saying on particular conditions like obeying Him, If so then its a conditional love...

But on the other end, If we ask anything from our mother. She never say us NO or never see us in Pain too...not a conditional love


Can anyone explain it please?

[Jhoota Jhoota]

My question is slightly different than your typical religious kind of debates

Well, Quran narrates that ALLAH (SWT) loves us like a mother even 70 times more than a mother, Agree. But how He see us when we are in pain or when we wish something from Him, but He don;t give us...Does ALLAH love us like according to saying on particular conditions like obeying Him, If so then its a conditional love...

But on the other end, If we ask anything from our mother. She never say us NO or never see us in Pain too...not a conditional love
Can anyone explain it please?

Oh Mayray Bhai,

A wish, A dua, A demand, A request, A need, A want of ONE could be A bad'dua, A problem, A pain, A suffering for OTHER and even for him/herself.

Sometimes its better for A wish, A dua, A demand, A request, A need, A want to NOT to be granted/accepted/fulfilled.

When I was a kid, I asked my Mom that I like Horses and would like to keep one with me. My Mom replied "Baita jab Aap 18 saal kay hongey, tab may aap ko Horse lay kar doon gee", She never said NO. When I turned 18, I did remembered the PROMISE of MY MOM but at that time I learned that I no longer need/require a Horse.

God loves US all much more than OUR mothers. NO matter how sinfull WE are, the moment WE return to HIM, the moment WE ask for forgiveness, WE are forgiven.

OUR time with OUR Mothers is limited but OUR time with OUR God is limitless. NO Matter what time of the day, what day of the month, what month of the year, what year of OUR life, God is there for us, waiting for us to return, to understand Him, to recognise Him.

OUR love for OUR Mothers can only be accepted as a TRUE love, if WE respect, obey, support OUR Mothers regardless of Her granting, accepting, fulfilling OUR wishes, OUR duas, OUR demands, OUR requests, OUR needs, OUR wants.

God doesn't want us to walk on fire, climb high mountains, travel distant places, meet special people, perform special rituals for getting OUR wishes, OUR duas, OUR demands, OUR requests, OUR needs, OUR wants granted, accepted, fulfilled.

God wants OUR sincerity, OUR patience, OUR thankfulness.

Regards,

[BeL@L]

^ I was wrong....crying

[Morg]

Q: Islamic point of view on slavery, slaves.

[lust86]

This post has been edited by lust86: Jul 25 2010, 08:28 PM

[Inc0gnito]

A Man Chooses. A Slave Obeys.

Q. The Islamic concept of Qadr - Free Will - Predestination. Thus far never been answered by Any ulema or scholar.

[Morg]

Lust
I am talking about real slavery, It is mentioned in the Quran aswell and it has been the custom in preislamic arabia and during the many caliphates. Sahabas have kept slaves, and it is describd in the quran (sura Nisa i think) about female slaves. (as well as men). People who are OWNED by other people and are their property.

[glamourous]

^ omg astaag. seriously?

MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS, THE QURAN, AND SLAVERY

To begin with, the Quran justifies slavery, and often mentions slaves. Here are some relevant verses:

33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."

This verse clearly shows that Muslims believe that taking slaves in war was a God-given right. These slaves were considered 'booty' or the spoils of war. As the saying goes: to the victors go the spoils.

23:5 - "... except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them:..."

The passage's context here (not quoted in full) details how Muslim males are allowed to have sexual relations with their wives and slave girls. Implicit in this is that Muslim males had slave-concubines. 70:30 is basically a repeat of 23:5.

The above verses show that taking slaves was ordained by Allah, and that it was permissible for Muslim males to have sex with their female slaves. It also shows that slaves were a valuable commodity to the Muslims, otherwise, Allah would not have imposed the penalty of freeing a slave to make up for a crime.

wow
im speechless

so how does one go about doing this today? i want me a slave with an 8 pack.

[vitalsignsguy]

i have stopped having discussions on religion as i find them full of rhetoric and quite useless to be honest............but just to make a small point, anyone who suggests that Islam allows slavery is in fact quite misguided about what Quran is, why and how it was revealed to Prophet and most importantly weather we should (or should not) take koran in its most literal sense?

So it is always a good idea (specially in the month of RamaZan) to study Quran from a historical perspective as well as it usually helps to clear a lot of misconceptions

[Inc0gnito]

^ omg astaag. seriously?
wow
im speechless

so how does one go about doing this today? i want me a slave with an 8 pack.

Notice the part.. "Slave Girls" . You were kicked out of this clause because of your... predisposition. Now.. you can however be a slave girl to an 8 packer man or any man for that matter.

[glamourous]

thats hot. will you be my slave girl mzaflatoon?/ errr i mean incognito