Prophet Mohammad (saw) In The Vedas, Dtoxed Options

[MzAflatoon]

Hadhrat Muhammad SAW in the Vedas

Almighty God has provided for all our physical needs. The Holy Quran says:

He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth.
(2:30)

And He has subjected to you whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth; all this is from Him.
(45:14)

Just as Almighty God has taken care of all our physical needs, He has also provided for our spiritual and moral needs. For this purpose He has been sending His Messengers and Reformers in all parts of the world among all nations from time to time. Thus the Holy Quran says:

And there is no people to whom a Warner has not been sent.
(35:25)

And there is a guide for every people.
(13:8)

Whenever there is decay of Dharma (i.e., religion) and there is spread of Adharma (i.e. irreligion) then for the protection of the poor and the good and for the destruction of the evil-doers, I shall appear from age to age.
(Srimad Bhagrat Gita 4:7,8)

In accordance with these teachings, Almighty God has been sending innumerable messengers for the spiritual progress of mankind. Among these have been Prophets Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Krishna, Ramchandra, Zoroaster, Confucius (peace be on all of them). Ultimately when the human mind attained its full development and the time approached when mankind was about to become one people, the system of sending different messengers for different nations was terminated and Almighty God sent the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, as an exemplar for all mankind. He appeared in Arabia about 1400 years ago. Addressing him God says in the Holy Quran:

Say, O Mankind! truly I am a Messenger to you all from Allah to Whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. There is no god but He. He gives life and He causes death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Prophet, the Immaculate one, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be rightly guided.
(7:159)

It is a historic fact that the teachings of prophets who preceded the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, were limited to particular people and particular ages. On the other hand the message of Islam is of universal nature. The Holy ProphetSAW was sent as a mercy for all rnankind. The Holy Quran says:

And We have sent thee not but as a mercy for all peoples.
(21:108)

Previous scriptures such as the Vedas of the Hindus contain numerous prophecies pertaining to the advent of the Holy ProphetSAW. The Holy Quran says:

Those who follow the Messenger, the Immaculate one, whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel which are with them. He enjoins on them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful for them the good things and forbids them the bad, and removes from them their burdens and the shackles that were upon them. So those who shall believe in him, and honour and support him, and follow the light that has been sent down with him – these shall prosper.
(7:158)

This lengthy passage from the Holy Quran not only mentions the purpose of the advent of the Holy ProphetSAW but also states that earlier scriptures contain prophecies regarding his advent. Not only the Jewish and Christian scriptures but also the Hindu scriptures contain many prophecies about the Holy Prophet of IslamSAW.

Among the four Vedas of the Hindus, Athra Veda occupies a prominent position. It is also known as Brahma Ved (i.e. Divine knowledge). It contains the following prophecy:

O people! listen to these words with reverence. A very praise-worthy person will appear among the people. He will accept him from among 60090 enemies. His means of transport would be 20 camels . His name will soar high and then return. This great Rishi will have 100 gold coins, 10 pearl necklaces, 300 Arab horses and 10,000 cows.
(Athra Ved Kantam 20-127, 70-1-3)

Here many characteristics of the Holy ProphetSAW have been mentioned . The Promised Rishi is called praiseworthy. The word Muhammad itself means worthy of praise. He and his companions used camels as means of transport whereas for the Rishis of India, the use of camel is forbidden (Manu Smrithi 5:8). When the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, appeared in Arabia, the population of the Arabs was stated as a little more than 60,000. The entire population had become his enemies. Almighty God protected him against his enemies. The Holy Quran also says:

And Allah will protect thee from men.
(5:68)

Soaring high and returning refers to his experience of Miraj (Spiritual Ascent). The 100 gold coins refer to his companions who migrated twice to Abyssinia. The 10 pearl necklaces signify Ashra-Mubashera, the ten companions of the Holy ProphetSAW, regarding whom God gave the glad tidings of Paradise in this world itself. These are Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman, Ali, Talha, Zubair, Abdur Rahman ibn Auf, Sa’ad ibn Abi Waqqas, Sa’ad ibn Zaid and Abu Ubaidah (may Allah be pleased with them). The 300 Arab horses signify the 300 companions of the Holy Prophet who took part in the battle of Badr. They numbered 313. Eight of them could not participate in the battle. One of them died before the battle, and four of them were small children. Thus the actual number of people who fought in the battle of Badr together with the Holy Prophet was 300. 10,000 cows signify the ten thousand holy people who entered Mecca triumphantly with him on his return. It is worthy of note that the number 10,000 is also mentioned in the Bible.

Bhavisyath Puran also contains a prophecy regarding the advent of the Holy Prophet SAW. Maharishi Vyas Muni occupies an emminent position among the Hindus because of his vast knowledge and wisdom, and God-given capabilities. In addition to other religious literature, he has written 18 Puranas such as Brahma Puran, Bhagath Puran. The 18th Puran is named Bhavisyath Puran. It contains prophecies pertaining to the future. According to the beliefs of the Hindus this book contains Divine revelations and prophecies. This Bhavisyath Puran contains the following prophecy regarding the Holy Prophet:

A spiritual reformer will come from a foreign land (outside Bharat) with his disciples (companions). His name will be Mahamad (Muhammad). He will dwell in a desert.
(Bhavisyath Purana 3:5-8)

Here the name of the spiritual reformer is clearly given as Muhammad. Generally in the Vedas all countries outside Bharat are referred to as Mlech. The foreign land is said to be in a desert. Here the Holy Prophet’s companions are especially mentioned. Perhaps there is hardly any other prophet who had so many companions who had moulded their lives in the manner of their prophet. Maharishi Vyas Muni has mentioned the following qualities of this Muhammad Rishi and his followers:

His followers will perform circumcision. They will not keep their hair in the form of Choti as the Brahmans do. They will keep beard. They will bring about a revolution. They will call with a loud voice (i.e., instead of using a bell to call the people for prayer, they will call people to prayer in a loud voice by ‘Azan’). They will eat meat of animals other than that of swine. They will attain purity through Jihad (fighting in the cause of Allah). Their civilization will be called Muslay (Muslim).
(Bhavishyat Puran Vol. 3 verse:3)

Without any interpretation, all these characteristics agree completely with the characteristics of the Holy Prophet of Islam SAW and his followers. In short, all the prophecies of the divine books of the Hindu religion have been fulfilled in the person of the Holy Prophet of Islam.

The Holy Prophet SAW gathered together all the nations and religions on a common platform on the basis of their own teachings which are founded on Divine Unity. He gave the message of equality of mankind and universal brotherhood. The Holy Quran says about itself:

Therein are lasting commandments.
(98:4)

That is, it contains the essence of the teachings of all religious books. The teachings of the Holy Quran are simple and universal.

In short, the Holy Prophet, achieved magnificent success in his mission which even non-Muslim orientalists confirm. Thus Reverend Bosworth Smith, M.A. writes:

By a fortune absolutely unique in history Muhammad is a three-fold founder of a nation, of an empire, and of a religion and is revered to this day by a sixth of the whole human race as a miracle of purity, of style, of wisdom and of truth.

The German orientalist Noldeke writes:
Most successful of all prophets and religious personalities.
(Encyclopaedia Brittannica:Quran)

O Allah, Shower Thy Mercy and Thy Blessings on the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him, and his progeny). Thou Art the Praiseworthy, the Lord of Honour.

[modern_newton]

DTOX; Is it true that Mirza Ghulam also claimed to be an avatar or reincarnation, of the Hindu god Krishna?

[MzAflatoon]

Here are my question when it comes to the Vedas:

The Vedas is not a book written/narrarated by Allah. How can the author of this book then have the knowledge of a messenger who is to come unless he was in communication with Allah?

Furthermore, by stating that Mohammad (SAW)'s arrival is mentioned in the Vedas, are we not validating the authenticity of this book? Which would then make the preachings of the vedas definitely more relevant than not?

According to my knowledge, the hindu's are/were idolaters so technically they shouldn't have been given any divine revelations or knowledge *unless* the vedas was written by a messenger sent from Allah to the idol worshippers but then that messenger would have definitely preached tauheed which I don't think the Vedas mentions? Nonetheless, the only one who possessed knowledge of Mohammad (SAW)'s coming was God himself. So how did the Vedas writers come to know of this?

I've seen a lot of Muslims mention the Vedas connection, everyone from the common man to Dr. Zakir Naik. I've never really understood the technicalities of it so can someone with knoweldge of the subject please shed some light on my top two questions.

Thanks

[d-tox..ed]

Ok as per my belief Hinduism is one of oldest religion in the world and Hadhrat Krishna was a Prophet of Allah and preached unity of Allah. And as the time elapsed Hinduism and got mixed up with these dudes from North Asia we used to praise devi devtas etc....And my post in no way saying that you should accept Veda as an authentic book...however I would do like you to ponder upon the prophecy which is written in Veda and compare it to how it is analysed in my post.

And perhaps give you opinion what you think about it.

I've seen a lot of Muslims mention the Vedas connection, everyone from the common man to Dr. Zakir Naik. I've never really understood the technicalities of it so can someone with knoweldge of the subject please shed some light on my top two questions.

Thanks

The reason behind this is that they want to preach Islam to these people. There is no other common ground between us and Hindus which can commence the talk...

Only few Arabs converted millions of Hindus...how?...you cannot simply imagine but good deeds...there has to be some other common ground to this..

DTOX; Is it true that Mirza Ghulam also claimed to be an avatar or reincarnation, of the Hindu god Krishna?

i suggest this query to be taken to Altaf Hussien thread...he would knw better.

[MzAflatoon]

Hadhrat Krishna?! What?!?!?!?!

Detox, are you trying to be funny or am I just being stupid 3:30 in the morning. Krishna is not even a Muslim name! Did God just forget to mention in him the Qur'an or what? There is no mention of a Hadhrat Krishna in the Qur'an!

We can't just fake history to and commence a talk man =S There is probably some other authentic reason since we know that messengers were sent to all people. I think that bit of history probably got convoluted somewhere and since it isn't mentioned in the Qur'an, it might be make it slightly more strenuous and time consuming to look up.

... Hadhrat Krishna

Here's something interesting: http://rethinkingislam-sultanshahin.blogsp...scriptures.html

I skimmed through it, it mentions some of the others (pretty cool) but not Krishna. Will read it later. This may turn out to be more interesting than I thought.

BTW, that link is definitely not endorsed by a scholar nor have I done a background check on the author yet.

*Ahh post mergers*

This post has been edited by MzAflatoon: Nov 7 2009, 03:42 AM

[Nara-e-Mastana]

Ok as per my belief Hinduism is one of oldest religion in the world and Hadhrat Krishna was a Prophet of Allah and preached unity of Allah.

Bhai kuch to socha kar likhney ya bolney se phelay....what kind of belief is this...
For you, Deen-e-Islam is a joke....really...
This Hadrat Krishna thing...is this told by MGA to you guys...

hmmm let me guess, if you do not consider Hinuism as religion of God and hadrat krishna as a Prophet of God then you will be considered as kafir or non-muslim....right...

Khuda ka khouf kar...

Kis keesam kay beleifs hain tum lougo kay....and best part is kay tum loug khul kar samney bhi nahi aatey...

Khuda ka khouf kar...

--

[d-tox..ed]

Hadhrat Krishna?! What?!?!?!?!

Detox, are you trying to be funny or am I just being stupid 3:30 in the morning. Krishna is not even a Muslim name! Did God just forget to mention in him the Qur'an or what? There is no mention of a Hadhrat Krishna in the Qur'an!

We can't just fake history to and commence a talk man =S There is probably some other authentic reason since we know that messengers were sent to all people. I think that bit of history probably got convoluted somewhere and since it isn't mentioned in the Qur'an, it might be make it slightly more strenuous and time consuming to look up.

... Hadhrat Krishna

Here's something interesting: http://rethinkingislam-sultanshahin.blogsp...scriptures.html

I skimmed through it, it mentions some of the others (pretty cool) but not Krishna. Will read it later. This may turn out to be more interesting than I thought.

BTW, that link is definitely not endorsed by a scholar nor have I done a background check on the author yet.

*Ahh post mergers*

yup you heard me right but it seems like you skipped the rest what I had written.

[Inc0gnito]

Hare Rama Hare Krishna Hare Mirza Ghulam Ahmadina.

[u_ahmed]

Hadhrat Krishna?! What?!?!?!?!

Detox, are you trying to be funny or am I just being stupid 3:30 in the morning. Krishna is not even a Muslim name! Did God just forget to mention in him the Qur'an or what? There is no mention of a Hadhrat Krishna in the Qur'an!

We can't just fake history to and commence a talk man =S There is probably some other authentic reason since we know that messengers were sent to all people. I think that bit of history probably got convoluted somewhere and since it isn't mentioned in the Qur'an, it might be make it slightly more strenuous and time consuming to look up.

You do realize that the vast majority of Prophets are not mentioned in the Holy Quran

Anyways here's a link to a wikipage about Prophets in Islam. Some info on the topic @ hand is mentioned a bit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Prophets_of_Islam

[MzAflatoon]

^ Well ofcourse, who doesn't? However, what I said was, how did that bit of history/knowledge get there? I proposed then, that there may have been a messenger. However, what I was looking from the rest of the public was proof that it was Krishna who was that messenger.

@ Dtox: Questioning the Vedas is a personal thing. I know other muslims will just accept anything that prophecising the rise of Islam and all. However, by you can't just accept a part of the book and reject the rest unless you acknowledge the book has had revisions. I did read what you wrote, however, those passages don't explain how that information got there.

Which I'm guessing will be difficult to find.

U-ahmed, those are unsigned comments .. I'll try to look up those mentioned hadith's later. Here's what I found on another webpage, the answer's are by Dr. Zakir Naik who I've seen quote the Vedas ..

8. Which prophet was sent to India?
Regarding the question of which prophet of God was sent to India, and can we consider Ram or Krishna to be prophets of God, there is no text in the Qur’an or Sahih Hadith mentioning the name of the prophet that was sent to India. Since the names of Ram and Krishna are nowhere to be found in the Qur’an and Sahih Hadith, one cannot say for sure whether they were prophets of God or not. Some Muslims, especially certain Muslim politicians who try to appease the Hindus, say Ram Alai-his-salaam, i.e. Ram, may peace be on him. This is totally wrong, since there is no authentic proof from the Qur’an and Sahih Hadith that he was a prophet of God. However, a person may say that perhaps they may have been the prophets of God.

9. Even if Ram and Krishna were prophets, today we have to follow the last Prophet of God i.e. Muhammad (pbuh)
Even if Ram and Krishna were prophets of God, they were only meant for people of that time and were to be followed only for that particular period of time. Today, all the human beings throughout the world, including India should only follow the last and final prophet and Messenger of God – prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

[Panga is Changa]

When Islam was spreading across Africa and into Asia, Muslims were killing any idolaters and polytheists. When Islam spread into Indian, Muslims were going to kill off all Hindus but looked for an excuse not to so some scholars decided Hindus were also Monotheists. They read the vedas and came to the conclusion that Hazrat Muhammad (SAAS) was indeed mentioned.


But like I said, that could've been an excuse not to kill off all the Hindus. Ultimately this kind of sucks because all of India would've been Muslim

You do realize that the vast majority of Prophets are not mentioned in the Holy Quran

Anyways here's a link to a wikipage about Prophets in Islam. Some info on the topic @ hand is mentioned a bit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Prophets_of_Islam

It's a waste of time talking about non-Arab prophets.

[d-tox..ed]

Hare Rama Hare Krishna Hare Mirza Ghulam Ahmadina.

bache esi baatien nahin karte..dekho Bollywood ka kitna bura asar ho gya hai.

When Islam was spreading across Africa and into Asia, Muslims were killing any idolaters and polytheists. When Islam spread into Indian, Muslims were going to kill off all Hindus but looked for an excuse not to so some scholars decided Hindus were also Monotheists. They read the vedas and came to the conclusion that Hazrat Muhammad (SAAS) was indeed mentioned.
But like I said, that could've been an excuse not to kill off all the Hindus. Ultimately this kind of sucks because all of India would've been Muslim
It's a waste of time talking about non-Arab prophets.

well not a bad theory.

^ Well ofcourse, who doesn't? However, what I said was, how did that bit of history/knowledge get there? I proposed then, that there may have been a messenger. However, what I was looking from the rest of the public was proof that it was Krishna who was that messenger.

@ Dtox: Questioning the Vedas is a personal thing. I know other muslims will just accept anything that prophecising the rise of Islam and all. However, by you can't just accept a part of the book and reject the rest unless you acknowledge the book has had revisions. I did read what you wrote, however, those passages don't explain how that information got there.

Which I'm guessing will be difficult to find.

U-ahmed, those are unsigned comments .. I'll try to look up those mentioned hadith's later. Here's what I found on another webpage, the answer's are by Dr. Zakir Naik who I've seen quote the Vedas ..

8. Which prophet was sent to India?
Regarding the question of which prophet of God was sent to India, and can we consider Ram or Krishna to be prophets of God, there is no text in the Qur’an or Sahih Hadith mentioning the name of the prophet that was sent to India. Since the names of Ram and Krishna are nowhere to be found in the Qur’an and Sahih Hadith, one cannot say for sure whether they were prophets of God or not. Some Muslims, especially certain Muslim politicians who try to appease the Hindus, say Ram Alai-his-salaam, i.e. Ram, may peace be on him. This is totally wrong, since there is no authentic proof from the Qur’an and Sahih Hadith that he was a prophet of God. However, a person may say that perhaps they may have been the prophets of God.

9. Even if Ram and Krishna were prophets, today we have to follow the last Prophet of God i.e. Muhammad (pbuh)
Even if Ram and Krishna were prophets of God, they were only meant for people of that time and were to be followed only for that particular period of time. Today, all the human beings throughout the world, including India should only follow the last and final prophet and Messenger of God – prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

MZ Baaji I think you are trying to make it over complicated...perhaps I need to say this as well:

THERE IS NO UNDERLYING MOTIVE BEHIND THIS POST OF MINE AND SHOULD ONLY BE USED FOR KNOWLEDGE SHARING. I WILL NOT NOR WAS PLANNING TO BRING AHMADIYYAT INTO DISCUSSION AT ALL. THIS ARTICLE IS ONLY FOR KNOWLEDGE SHARING AND DISCUSS WHAT OTHER BROTHERS AND SISTER HAVE TO SAY. AND FOR GOD SAKE FOR ONCE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE TOPIC AND HISTORY BEHIND THIS AND HOW ISLAM WAS SPREAD IN INDIA.

As a Muslim we are suppose to believe in 12400 Prophets and whatever Quran and Sahih Hadith says. Rasool e Pak SAW is Khaatam munabyeen and we follow Quran. We are also advised to read the Toraat, Zaboor and Injeel and belive in it as long as it does not contradict Quran and Islam.

I hope this will give a new guidance to the topic in hand.

[MzAflatoon]

^ Allah ki panah!

I didn't mention Ahmadiyat/Ahmadi anywhere! I was simply questioning how such prophecies got into the Vedas in the first place! Baat tou samajh liya karain pehle aap Foran se koodne lag jate hain. The above does not tell me how Islam was spread in India, it just tells me that the Indian books prophecized the coming of Mohammad (SAW). This makes no absolute sense unless the author of that book was in communicado with Allah. (Since only Allah has knowledge of the future).

Samajh ayee?


I'm just going to go back to my cave x_x

[Panga is Changa]

well not a bad theory.

lol it's the truth. Within the first 50 years after the death of prophet Muhammad (SAAS) Islam spread all the way into India. The majority of converts did it on their own. So when Muslims went into India they gave the Hindus a choice of whether to convert or be killed because they were polytheists. If they were monotheists then they would be spared. So instead of massacring millions of Hindus, Muslim scholars searched intensively in trying to find a way to spare all of them. So they said that about the vedas.

It's not a theory. That's exactly what happened. Hinduism could've and should've been wiped off the face of this planet.

As a Muslim we are suppose to believe in 12400 Prophets and whatever Quran and Sahih Hadith says. Rasool e Pak SAW is Khaatam munabyeen and we follow Quran. We are also advised to read the Toraat, Zaboor and Injeel and belive in it as long as it does not contradict Quran and Islam.

I hope this will give a new guidance to the topic in hand.

As a Muslim we're supposed to believe in Allah (SWT) and that He sent us a messenger to help guide us in the right path. We aren't supposed to waste our time searching for 12,400 prophets, when only a handful are mentioned in the Quran.

And I wouldn't waste my time reading those other books when the Quran exists.

This post has been edited by Panga is Changa: Nov 8 2009, 09:31 AM

[Inc0gnito]

hahahah @ Hazrat Krishna and Hazrat Gopala? Hazrat Govinda? Hazrat Seeta!? Hazrat Rama!? Hazrat Laloo Prasad. Hahahhahahahahahha Ahmadiya are hilarious! They say, there were over 124000 Prophets - is that including or excluding this Mirza Krishna Gopal Govinda Rama Ghulam Ahmad?

[u_ahmed]

^ Well ofcourse, who doesn't? However, what I said was, how did that bit of history/knowledge get there? I proposed then, that there may have been a messenger. However, what I was looking from the rest of the public was proof that it was Krishna who was that messenger.

@ Dtox: Questioning the Vedas is a personal thing. I know other muslims will just accept anything that prophecising the rise of Islam and all. However, by you can't just accept a part of the book and reject the rest unless you acknowledge the book has had revisions. I did read what you wrote, however, those passages don't explain how that information got there.

Which I'm guessing will be difficult to find.

U-ahmed, those are unsigned comments .. I'll try to look up those mentioned hadith's later. Here's what I found on another webpage, the answer's are by Dr. Zakir Naik who I've seen quote the Vedas ..

8. Which prophet was sent to India?
Regarding the question of which prophet of God was sent to India, and can we consider Ram or Krishna to be prophets of God, there is no text in the Qur’an or Sahih Hadith mentioning the name of the prophet that was sent to India. Since the names of Ram and Krishna are nowhere to be found in the Qur’an and Sahih Hadith, one cannot say for sure whether they were prophets of God or not. Some Muslims, especially certain Muslim politicians who try to appease the Hindus, say Ram Alai-his-salaam, i.e. Ram, may peace be on him. This is totally wrong, since there is no authentic proof from the Qur’an and Sahih Hadith that he was a prophet of God. However, a person may say that perhaps they may have been the prophets of God.

9. Even if Ram and Krishna were prophets, today we have to follow the last Prophet of God i.e. Muhammad (pbuh)
Even if Ram and Krishna were prophets of God, they were only meant for people of that time and were to be followed only for that particular period of time. Today, all the human beings throughout the world, including India should only follow the last and final prophet and Messenger of God – prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

The reference is actually on the main article page, I apologize for not mentioning that hadith prior. The hadith in question is considered controversial but more so for it's implications than the hadith itself (if that makes sense?)

lol it's the truth. Within the first 50 years after the death of prophet Muhammad (SAAS) Islam spread all the way into India. The majority of converts did it on their own. So when Muslims went into India they gave the Hindus a choice of whether to convert or be killed because they were polytheists. If they were monotheists then they would be spared. So instead of massacring millions of Hindus, Muslim scholars searched intensively in trying to find a way to spare all of them. So they said that about the vedas.

It's not a theory. That's exactly what happened. Hinduism could've and should've been wiped off the face of this planet.

As a Muslim we're supposed to believe in Allah (SWT) and that He sent us a messenger to help guide us in the right path. We aren't supposed to waste our time searching for 12,400 prophets, when only a handful are mentioned in the Quran.

And I wouldn't waste my time reading those other books when the Quran exists.

Islam was originally spread through merchants more so than generals. All the way to the islands of Indonesia they went (with the progress of time of course). Along with that was also the Sufi element. There were a large amount of military campaigns (just yesterday I was watching a program about Sultan Mahmood Gaznavi). I don't recall ever such a choice being offered, I might be wrong now but I don't ever recall hearing/reading about any scholars coming together like this. I may be wrong. I'd ask if you could post supports/references.

I do recall through an interesting event, somewhat related I guess. It comes from the Farishta, who has written that there was a Hindu raja of a certain town...dharka was the old name..and in India he is said to have seen the splitting of the moon incident and then after some inquiring found out about a prophet in Arabia and converted..

As for wasting your time. As a Muslim it is incumbent upon you to go seek knowledge (as far as China if you must). Religiousness knowledge is part of that larger knowledge. One can't remark about the Bible containing this and this while at the same time never have read it. In my view that's a form of hypocrisy. You can't make connections unless you have dots. And leaving aside the loveable quantum mechanics, you can't go far unless you have more than one dot.

[modern_newton]

hahahah @ Hazrat Krishna and Hazrat Gopala? Hazrat Govinda? Hazrat Seeta!? Hazrat Rama!? Hazrat Laloo Prasad. Hahahhahahahahahha Ahmadiya are hilarious! They say, there were over 124000 Prophets - is that including or excluding this Mirza Krishna Gopal Govinda Rama Ghulam Ahmad?

Samja karhoo na iss baat ka tu advantage liyea ha Mirza jii ne
He was one of those 124000 prophets whose name is not mentioned in Holy Quran Obviously if tomorrrow a guy from lalo khait come up with same claim then he would be also one of those 124000 Prophets and My friend Dtox will be the ist one to have bayat on his hand

What you guys think about Hazrat Guru nanak? What is his ranking as compare to hazrat karishna ?

This post has been edited by modern_newton: Nov 8 2009, 08:41 PM

[d-tox..ed]

Samja karhoo na iss baat ka tu advantage liyea ha Mirza jii ne
He was one of those 124000 prophets whose name is not mentioned in Holy Quran Obviously if tomorrrow a guy from lalo khait come up with same claim then he would be also one of those 124000 Prophets and My friend Dtox will be the ist one to have bayat on his hand

What you guys think about Hazrat Guru nanak? What is his ranking as compare to hazrat karishna ?

An idea of One God and 1 religion was given 1400 years in the land of Arabia when the greatest of Prophet for whole mankind and came with a UNIVERSAL BOOK, MESSAGE, RELIGION and FAITH.

1400 years later the Promissed Reformer comes in the same religion with the same message...ONE GOD and ONE RELIGION...how hell do you think the teachings of Holy Prophet SAW can be implemented if there is no common ground between different faiths? How can the Messiah not re unite people under one faith unless he claims that I am not only for Muslims I am here for everyone...This is not a man made thinking this is the WILL of ALLAH.

[d-tox..ed]

What you guys think about Hazrat Guru nanak? What is his ranking as compare to hazrat karishna ?

There is an ample evidence that Hadhrat Baba Guru Nanak was a Muslim. He performed Hajj and had various Quranic ayaats written on his cholla.

[Inc0gnito]

He performed Hajj and had various Quranic ayaats written on his cholla.

Cholla?!? You mean that thing jispe khana banatay hain!? Kiya Quranic ayat se.. Khana mazay ka banta tha? LOL. hahah.

[d-tox..ed]

Cholla?!? You mean that thing jispe khana banatay hain!? Kiya Quranic ayat se.. Khana mazay ka banta tha? LOL. hahah.

nahin mere bhai...chola wo jo arbi logg pehnte hian na usse kehte hian.

[modern_newton]

There is an ample evidence that Hadhrat Baba Guru Nanak was a Muslim. He performed Hajj and had various Quranic ayaats written on his cholla.

ahhaahahha
So now if non muslim performed hajj and had various verses written on his green chola then he become muslim

My simple friend DTOX shared different defination of muslim in topic of Ahmadism in Pakitsan affair section

Kahir will you give me some(i am not asking ample) evidence which suggest that Bana guru nanak was muslim and Karishna was prophet of islam because if i get evidence i might think to become the follower of hinduism or sikhism because these guys are following the teaching of their muslim gurru

This post has been edited by modern_newton: Nov 9 2009, 05:02 PM

[u_ahmed]

All you have do is search it you know...

http://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000181.html

[modern_newton]

Kia kia search karwahoo ghey bhiyea

We need to search that Hazrat Isa(PBUH) buried in Kashmir
We need to search that Mirza was three in one religous character
We need to search that Karishna was prophet of islam and Mirza is Avatar of karishna
We need to search that Guru nanak who was born in 1469 AND had verses of Quran written on his chola and he travelled Makkah for Hajj and became muslim
We need to serach that bagwad gita and guru granth and adi granth are islamic scriptures brought by Hazrat karishna and mulsim guru nanak
We need to search that when baba gurru nanak was muslim then how his followers became sikh even when sikhism is not that old religon that he teach their followers to practice islam and they start DOING SOMETHING ELSE
We need to search THE DAJJAL OR ANICHRIST got defeated by Mirza ji


If i tell my sikh freind that Guruu nanak was muslim then you know it will be big joke for them and they will laugh at me . Guru nanak had boht hindus pundit and muslim sufi friends and he combined boht teaching of hinduism and islam and created a new religon Sikhism..

Do you also consider Bhudda as prophet of islam?

This post has been edited by modern_newton: Nov 9 2009, 07:39 PM

[Inc0gnito]

There have been some outstanding satan worshippers too. I bet they too were Prophets for Ahmadis.

[d-tox..ed]

ahhaahahha
So now if non muslim performed hajj and had various verses written on his green chola then he become muslim

My simple friend DTOX shared different defination of muslim in topic of Ahmadism in Pakitsan affair section

Kahir will you give me some(i am not asking ample) evidence which suggest that Bana guru nanak was muslim and Karishna was prophet of islam because if i get evidence i might think to become the follower of hinduism or sikhism because these guys are following the teaching of their muslim gurru

lolz..i didnt say this is the only reason....if you want I can PM you more details.

There have been some outstanding satan worshippers too. I bet they too were Prophets for Ahmadis.

shoo shoo...bhaago bache barron ko tang nahin karte..

[MzAflatoon]

Listen, if the followers of Jesus can go astray and alter the teachings of the Bible than why can't the same happen with Guru Nanak and Krishna? The only catch here is that God doesn't give any of these guys relevance in the Qur'an or Sahih Hadith.

There is no answer to this question! I'm sorry I asked it.

Also on the point of Muslims trying to save hindu's. We do see the Mughals marrying into hindu women to sustain power and appease the indians. It did happen.

This issue does not have anything to do with Ahmadism. Sunni scholars quote this all the time!

[Inc0gnito]

Junoon Sang "Wahda Hu La Shareeka La Hu" - They are Prophets. Hazrat Ali Azmat and Hazrat Salman Ahmad with Hazrat Brian O Connell.

[Nara-e-Mastana]

LOL...Good one

[Panga is Changa]

Islam was originally spread through merchants more so than generals. All the way to the islands of Indonesia they went (with the progress of time of course). Along with that was also the Sufi element. There were a large amount of military campaigns (just yesterday I was watching a program about Sultan Mahmood Gaznavi). I don't recall ever such a choice being offered, I might be wrong now but I don't ever recall hearing/reading about any scholars coming together like this. I may be wrong. I'd ask if you could post supports/references.

I do recall through an interesting event, somewhat related I guess. It comes from the Farishta, who has written that there was a Hindu raja of a certain town...dharka was the old name..and in India he is said to have seen the splitting of the moon incident and then after some inquiring found out about a prophet in Arabia and converted..

As for wasting your time. As a Muslim it is incumbent upon you to go seek knowledge (as far as China if you must). Religiousness knowledge is part of that larger knowledge. One can't remark about the Bible containing this and this while at the same time never have read it. In my view that's a form of hypocrisy. You can't make connections unless you have dots. And leaving aside the loveable quantum mechanics, you can't go far unless you have more than one dot.

I know Islam spread mostly through merchants. It's impossible to spread so fast by just killing people. But there was killing mixed in with word of mouth. And Hindus lives were in jeopardy when Muslims penetrated India. But the scholars agreed that Hindus weren't pagans and that they believe Muhammad (SAAS) was mentioned in their books. Still, it was just a drastic assumption made to prevent millions of killings.

It is a waste of time to read up on other books in which we do not use for guidance anymore. Our book is the final word, i'd spend the rest of my short life studying that over anything else.