Dutch Government Proposes Ban On Burqas Options

[Ali_Imran]

Dutch government proposes ban on burqas By MIKE CORDER, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 16 minutes ago


The Dutch government announced plans Friday for legislation banning full-length veils in public places and other clothing that covers the face — putting the Netherlands at the forefront of a general European hardening toward Muslim minorities.

The Netherlands, once considered one of Europe's most welcoming nations for immigrants and asylum seekers, is deeply divided over moves by the government to stem the tide of new arrivals and compel immigrants to assimilate into Dutch society.

"The Cabinet finds it undesirable that face-covering clothing — including the burqa — is worn in public places for reasons of public order, security and protection of citizens," Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk said.

Basing the order on security concerns apparently was intended to respond to warnings that outlawing clothing like the all-enveloping burqa, worn by some Muslim women, could violate the constitutional guarantee against religious discrimination.

The main Dutch Muslim organization CMO has been critical of any possible ban. The idea was "an overreaction to a very marginal problem" because hardly any Dutch women wear burqas anyway, said Ayhan Tonca of the CMO. "It's just ridiculous."

In the past, a majority of the Dutch parliament has said it would approve a ban on burqas, but opinion polls ahead of national elections Nov. 22 suggest a shift away from that position, and it is unclear if a majority in the new parliament would still back the government-proposed ban.

The issue has resonance throughout Europe. Former British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw recently caused a stir by saying he wants Muslim women to abandon the full-face veil — a view endorsed by Prime Minister Tony Blair. In France, the center-right's leading presidential candidate Nicolas Sarkozy has increasingly been adopting some of the rhetoric of the extreme-right.

In Holland, policies associated with the nationalist fringe in 2002 have been co-opted by the center: holding asylum-seekers in detention centers, more muscle for the police and intelligence services, and visa examinations that require would-be immigrants to watch videos of homosexuals kissing and of topless women on the beach. Everyone must learn to speak Dutch, and Muslim clerics must mind what they say in their Friday sermons for fear of deportation.

The issue was given added urgency with the 2004 slaying of filmmaker Theo Van Gogh by a Muslim fanatic and the failed attempt to expel a Somali-born critic of Islam of her Dutch citizenship.

About 1 million Muslims live in the Netherlands, about 6 percent of the population of 16 million, but only a few hundred are believed to regularly wear a burqa.

After France banned the wearing of head scarves in public schools, the Dutch government decided to leave that question up to individual schools. Most allow head scarves.

The city of Utrecht has cut some welfare benefits to unemployed women who insist on wearing burqas to job interviews. The city claimed the women were using the burqa to avoid working, since they knew they would not be hired.


Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press.


This post has been edited by Ali_Imran: Nov 17 2006, 03:35 PM

[Mastermind]

how many pakistanis force their wives to wear burqa's these days anyway?
wearing burka in western country makes u look suspicious and it gives an impression that ur not interested in their society/country although you carry their residence permits, passports, etc.

their country their rules.

muslims always make adjustments, so they'll have to do so on this as well.

[haroonpk]

how many pakistanis force their wives to wear burqa's these days anyway?
wearing burka in western country makes u look suspicious and it gives an impression that ur not interested in their society/country although you carry their residence permits, passports, etc.

their country their rules.

muslims always make adjustments, so they'll have to do so on this as well.

B U T such rules were not there Before

W H Y just now Why Just now Why Just now ??

Thanks

Kam Samajh

[Mastermind]

^ haroon pa ji please go and ask the Dutch yourself.

[haroonpk]

^ haroon pa ji please go and ask the Dutch yourself.

Whats your name Bhai mayray ??

Do I have to ask this from the Dutch too ??

Thanks

Kam Samajh

[Ali_Imran]

All of a sudden, burkha needs to be banned because all of a sudden it is harming the safety of the citizens !?

[awais786]

All of a sudden, burkha needs to be banned because all of a sudden it is harming the safety of the citizens !?

Well, you are rigth but then again who in the west wears the burqa anyways. But then agian the same west that is banning these things should stop calling themselves "free" country, or a place where everything is welcomed

[DesiMC]

I hate burqaaaaaaaaas

Its a good law/rule

[awais786]

I hate burqaaaaaaaaas

Its a good law/rule

Now desi would be able to see every kuri's face

[NightmareGirl]

All of a sudden, burkha needs to be banned because all of a sudden it is harming the safety of the citizens !?

burka, just like hijab, represents mulims
it is muslims who have been labelled terrorists
or atleast the so called muslims who wore the mask of islam
so yes it is perfectly fine for the Duch or anyone else to fear their safety by not knowing whats behind a burka

[Ali_Imran]

it is muslims who have been labelled terrorists

Discrimination, Racism, Islamophobia. If these guys are the ones talking about democracy and freedom, then they have no reason to ban it.

By the way, I'm not a big supporter of the Niqab-wearing out in the West, I think wearing the wajib Hijab is good enough; but when it comes to issues of banning, I have to side with the Niqabis because of the double-standards and hypocrisy these western governments show.

so yes it is perfectly fine for the Duch or anyone else to fear their safety by not knowing whats behind a burka

It's either a woman, or Michale Jackson; their own western product.

This post has been edited by Ali_Imran: Nov 17 2006, 06:06 PM

[NightmareGirl]

^ it is time for State terrorism baby!
and when it comes to state terrorism.. everything magically gets justified.. "Discrimination, Racism, Islamophobia."

[DesiMC]

Now desi would be able to see every kuri's face

lol
Nah its not like that.
I don't have any attentions with burqa people.
I don't like them.
I know many burqa people, burqa is just a cover for them but in real they are like badder than me.
Is badder a word ???
Any ways...
Plus burqa in europe ???
Wth.... burqa pehnana hai tu go back where burqa is from.
Europe mein rehna hai tu actually be a little part of it.
huh

[Ali_Imran]

and when it comes to state terrorism.. everything magically gets justified.. "Discrimination, Racism, Islamophobia."

They cause the problem, they create the solution, they implement them on us.

What a world, oh well, it ain't gonna' get any better, Muslims will keep facing more hardships and challenges.

[CharteredAccount...]

In the land of windmills it is legal to be a prostitute and a drug dealer. It is however illegal to wear a burqah and practise your religion. Nice!

Burqah never was a part of Islam. Burqah is a cultural thing not a religious. Islam asks us to do pardah NOT TO WEAR BURQAH LIKE A SHUTTLECOCK AND SCARE OTHERS. This pardah is done in the muslim world by various types of clothing. In South Asia women wear dupatta/chaddar for pardah, in far-East Asia muslim women wear this long skirt with a hijaab, in the middleast women wear a long cloth with decoration on it, in Africa muslim women wear a turban on the head with a long and loose cloth to cover their body. This burqah was introduced by talibans during their extremist rule.

[PakistaniMunda]

Does this mean that nuns cannot cover their body from head to toe either?

[haroonpk]

ab har non-muslim country perfect tu na nahi hai, we have non muslim ppl who hold radical points on seeing hijab as oppression but it doesn't mean we all do.

Despite whatever there is, westerners did give any women more rights be it muslim or non muslim more rights than their country does.

^^ © HoneyWell

burka, just like hijab, represents mulims
it is muslims who have been labelled terrorists
or atleast the so called muslims who wore the mask of islam
so yes it is perfectly fine for the Duch or anyone else to fear their safety by not knowing whats behind a burka

I completely agree with you here

One Questiion -->> Why bann Hijaab then?? <<-- Muslim women's head are also threat to security

Next step to counter Ter@oism should be Muslim sisters should start wearing Skirts <<-- Who knows what they Hide

And to make very sure that westerners are safe <<-- Muslim women must wear transparent clothing

^^ so yes it is perfectly fine for the Duch or anyone else to fear their safety by not knowing whats behind a Muslim Dresses

U accept it now, u will be forced to accept more in future.. U stay as u are.. ur moral, ur dignity will stay alive..

Thanks

Kam Samajh

This post has been edited by haroonpk: Nov 18 2006, 10:57 AM

[HoneyWell]

I oppose dutch government's such decision. To wear niqab, hijab or catholic women wearing their attire, is personal choice. If there is any petition available online on this law i am willing to sign in.

love,
chantel.

[netaddict]

western countries should start banning the entry of Muslims for the sake of security and blah blah

[Ali_Imran]

That's a good idea, then we can all stay in our Muslim countries and then bring an Islamic revolution, and then take over the world MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAH!


This post has been edited by Ali_Imran: Nov 18 2006, 01:16 PM

[Mastermind]

its still just a proposal.........i dont think it would even pass as a bill......bcaz the elections r near.

[haroonpk]

@mastermind: Whats ur name?? I was serious

[HoneyWell]

Haroon don't be ridiculous. You mis-judged my opinion. I did however say MOST of us that doesnt mean whole europe or all of us non-muslims. Why do you have a habit of picking on ppl. Can't you be like 'normal'?

love,
riya.

[vitalsignsguy]

Look guys to be totally honest, I really don’t see what the big problem is, Netherlands is an independent sovereign state, where people elect the legislators, who in turn are entitled to make laws which they believe are befitting to their society.
At the end of the day, it is the Dutch who have to decide weather there should be such a ban or not.

[Kaotic Warrior]

America ke tuttooo

man tell them to name one thing they have accomplish on their own..thats pathetic these countries are actually nobody..

This post has been edited by Kaotic Warrior: Nov 18 2006, 07:21 PM

[Mastermind]

let the Dutch decide because it concerns their country.

[vitalsignsguy]

America ke tuttooo

man tell them to name one thing they have accomplish on their own..thats pathetic these countries are actually nobody..

lol u think dutch have not accomplished anythhing in the past ????
bro i though I was bad in history but after reading this, I can proudly say I am not that bad


nyways that apart, it dosnt matter if these countries are somethign or not IT IS THEIR COUNTRY and they alone have the right to decide what they can or cannot allow

[awais786]

let the Dutch decide because it concerns their country.

Then why do they interfaere in other country's buiness like to go afghanistan etc.

Like i said above, very very few actully wear the burqa in that country, so it won't effect alot of people
BUT

If the law passes that those people should'nt call them selves a country where you are free to do what ever you like, cause you can't

[Kaotic Warrior]

let the Dutch decide because it concerns their country.

what do you think about Iraq and Iran?

@vitalsign..Dutch history would be as useless as dutch themselves therefore i don't worry about those pathetic countries who are just tathtoo of those superpower...

This post has been edited by Kaotic Warrior: Nov 19 2006, 01:15 AM

[vitalsignsguy]

Then why do they interfaere in other country's buiness like to go afghanistan etc.

Like i said above, very very few actully wear the burqa in that country, so it won't effect alot of people
BUT

If the law passes that those people should'nt call them selves a country where you are free to do what ever you like, cause you can't

emmm Dutch never interfered in Afghanistan's business
If you are referring to the presence of NATO forces in Afghanistan, well first of all I am not too sure how much influence the Dutch have in Afghanistan to begin with, but what ever the case maybe the Afghan Government WANTS NATO forces to be in their country.
And despite their presence in Afghanistan, it is not NATO which is making laws in Afghanistan rather the Afghani elected government.

@KW
your comment about history of Dutch is quit useless, so I will not bother answering it, as for Iraq and Iran, well how and when exactly, has Netherlands interfered with Iranian or Iraqi legislation ????
As you know, Iranian law requires all women to cover their head when in public, if Iranian legislators have full freedom (and rightly so) to make such a law, then why should it be any different for the Dutch?