People Claiming To Be Mahdi, Imran Bashir Options

[MzAflatoon]

8th century
Salih ibn Tarif

Salih ibn Tarif, the second king of the Berghouata, proclaimed himself prophet of a new religion in the 8th century. He appeared during the caliphate of the Ummayad Hisham ibn Abd al-Malik. According to Ibn Khaldun's sources, he claimed receiving a new revelation from God called a Qur'an, written in the Berber language with 80 chapters. He established laws for his people, which called him Salih al-Mu'minin ('Restorer of the Believers'), and the final Mahdi.

Islamic literature considers his belief heretical, as several tenets of his teaching contrast with orthodox Islam, such as capital punishment for theft, unlimited wives, unlimited divorces, fasting of the month of Rajab instead of Ramadan, and ten obligatory daily prayers instead of five. Politically, its motivation was presumably to establish their independence from the Umayyads, establishing an independent ideology lending legitimacy to the state. Some modern Berber activists regard him as a hero for his resistance to Arab conquest and his foundation of the Berghouata state.

10th century

Said ibn Husayn

Said ibn Husayn, the first khalif of the Fatimid state, established in 909, was one of only two claimants who succeeded in establishing a state. (See Muhammad Ahmad below).

His Dai' Abu 'Abdullah Al-Husayn Al-Shi'i helped secure for him parts of north Africa using the support of the Berber locals. The Fatimid later built Al-Qahira as capital in Egypt and their descendants contitnued to rule as Khalifs until Saladin took over Egypt and canceled the Fatimid state. He imprisoned the last Fatimid khalif and his family until death in the Fatimid Palace.

12th century

Muhammad ibn Abdallah ibn Tumart

The Moroccan Muhammad ibn Abdallah ibn Tumart sought to reform Almoravid decadence in the early 12th century. Rejected in Marrakech and other cities, he turned to his Masmuda tribe in the Atlas Mountains for support. Because of their emphasis on the unity of God, his followers were known as Al Muwahhidun ('unitarians', in western language: Almohads).

Although declaring himself mahdi, imam, and masum (literally in Arabic: innocent or free of sin), Muhammad ibn Abdallah ibn Tumart consulted with a council of ten of his oldest disciples, and conform traditional Berber representative government, later added an assembly of fifty tribal leaders. The Almohad rebellion began in 1125 with attacks on Moroccan cities, including Sus and Marrakech. But as Muhammad ibn Abdallah ibn Tumart died in 1130, his successor Abd al Mumin took the title of Caliph -claiming universal leadership in Islam- and placed members of his own family in power, converting the system into a traditional sultanate.

15th century

Syed Mohammad Jaunpuri

Syed Muhammad Jaunpuri (1443 - 1505), another historical claimant was born in northeastern India, in Jaunpur, (presently in state of Uttar Pradesh). His father's name was Syed Abdullah & mother's Aamina. He was descendant of Imam Hussain & through Imam Musa Kadhim.

He claimed being the promised Mahdi on three occasions. He announced his claim; first in Makkah and then two places in India. He attracted a large following, and received opposition from the ulema.

He died at the age of 63 in the year 1505 AD while at Farah, Afghanistan. The burial location is a preserved sanctuary, looked after by the local inhabitants.

The widespread but lesser known community of the followers of Syed Mohammad as the Promised Mahdi are called Mahdavis, and their belief Mahdaviat. Now centralized in the Indian city of Hyderabad, yet larger settlements are found in Gujarat. Wide spread in Karnataka, Maharashtra. Some other states have minor populations scattered, while some in southern Pakistan. Many have recently migrated and settled in USA.

19th century

The 19th Century provided a large number of Mahdi claimants, some of whose subsequent followings survive to the present day in significant numbers.

Siyyid 'Alí-Muhammad (The Bá

In 1844, Ali Muhammad declared to be the promised Mahdi in Shiraz, Iran, taking the title of "the Báb" (Gate).

He was preceded by Shaykh Ahmad-i-Ahsa'i, who started the Shaykhi movement in preparation for the awaited Mahdi. Almost all the Shaykhis accepted the Báb, who was executed 6 years later by the Persian government. An estimated 20,000 followers of the Báb were also killed in government sponsored massacres across the Persian Empire.

The Báb is unique among Mahdi claimants, in that his assertion resulted in the establishment of a religion independent from Islam. He established his religion, ostensibly, as a precursor to an even greater message yet to come. As most Bábís believed the claims of Bahá'u'lláh to be the author of this greater message, the Báb's religious tradition continues today by way of the Bahá'í Faith.

Muhammad Ahmad

Muhammad Ahmad, who founded a short-lived empire in Sudan in the late 19th century, made a claim to be the promised Mahdi. His troops laid siege to Khartoum starting on March 13, 1884 against the defenders led by British General Charles George Gordon. The heavily damaged city fell to the Mahdists on January 26, 1885. Omdurman, a suburb of Khartoum, was the scene of the bloody battle (September 2, 1898) in which British forces under Sirdar Horatio Kitchener defeated the Mahdist forces defending the city.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

The Punjabi Mirza Ghulam Ahmad founded the Ahmadiyya Movement within Islam in 1889.

According to a Hadith and the Ahmaddiya movement, one of the signs which will indicate the emergence of the Mahdi will be that in the month of Ramadan prior to his emergence, a lunar eclipse, followed by a solar eclipse will be visible from the East and the West. These signs were visible right after the claim of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be the promised Mahdi. These claims are disputed by many non-Ahmadi Muslims. As with all the other Mahdi's the followers have always been far fewer in numbers, even after a century of emergence.

20th century

Mohammed bin Abdullah

Mohammed bin Abdullah, the "Mad Mullah" of Somaliland. He was a problem for the British and Italian authorities in Africa from 1900 to 1920.

He was a charismatic figure credited by his followers with supernatural powers. At first peaceful, he began attacking neighbouring tribes friendly to the British and declared himself a Mahdi.

Juhayman ibn-Muhammad ibn-Sayf al-Utaibi

In November of 1979 the Grand Mosque in Mecca was seized by a well-organized group of 1,300 to 1,500 men under the leadership of Juhayman ibn-Muhammad ibn-Sayf al-Utaibi. A former captain in the Saudi White Guards (National Guard), he declared himself to be the Mahdi, the redeemer of Islam.

After the two week long siege of the Mosque by Saudi special forces, foreign paramilitary troops from France and Pakistan were brought in to end the fight.
The guy was captured alive and behdeaded. (lost his top)


Is any 'Mahdi' missed!? So boys and girls.. which is one if the Real Mahdi!? Or none of them? Should make up for a 'spicy' topic.


This post has been edited by MzAflatoon: Apr 30 2006, 05:39 PM

[cr33d]

none of them.

I'm still alive and the day of judgment still has to come

[Imran Bashir]

Just reading the long list.. makes you wanna forget about believing the concept!

[cr33d]

i stopped after the words imran bashir

lol

[Imran Bashir]

i stopped after the words imran bashir

lol

What!? I didnt claim to be a Mahdi... If I was, man I'd be a charismatic one, who knows how to p a r t y.

[awais786]

There will be signs that will show that that certain person is mahdi. I'l post those later.

[Janaat]

They're not the real mahdi and I totally agree with Awais. We are given signs which tell us who will be the real Mahdi. Also during his time Hazrat Isa(as) will descend from the skies and dajjal will be in his time as well. There will be a fajr namaz being led by Hazrat Isa(as) and Hazrat Mahdi will join it. Also Hazrat Isa(a.s) will pray behind Hazra Mahdi and then after that hazrat Isa (as) will slay dajjal. And I heard that during Hazrat Mahdi's time the days and nights will be so long that one year of that time will be like 20 years of today.

Signs that will Precede Imam Mahdi

1) A General Sign

There are many signs that will precede him, a general and very important sign is that he will come at a time when there is great confutation, intense disputes and violent deaths. When people are afflicted by disturbance and experiencing great fear. Calamities will fall upon the people, so much so that a man shall not find a shelter to shelter him self from oppression. There will be battles and fitnaas before his appearance. Every time a fitnaa has come to end, another will start, spread and intensify. The people will be troubled to such an extent that they will long for death. It is then that Imam Mahdi will be sent.

Abu Saeed Al-Khudri has repoted that the Messenger of Allah said "He will be sent at a time of intense disputes and differences among people and earthquakes..." (Ahmed)

2) The Double Eclipse In Ramadan

Note. The Double Eclipse In Ramadan statement quoted from Darequtni is NOT verified, indeed it's authenticity is questionable. It is NOT to be considered as authentic Hadith.

3) The Battle in Mina

Before Imam Mahdi emerges an inter-tribal fight will take place. In the same year hajis will be looted and a battle will erupt in Mina in which many people will be killed. Ameer bin Shauaib reported from his grandfather that the messenger of Allah said:

"In Dhul Qaidah (Islamic Month) the tribes will fight, Hajis will be looted and there will be a battle in Mina in which many people will be slain and blood will flow until it runs over the Jamaratul Aqba. Their companion (referring to Imam Mahdi) will flee to a point between the corner and the Maqaam and will be forced to accept people's allegiance."
(Al-Fitan, Nuaim ibn Hammad)

4) The Euphrates will Disclose a Mountain of Gold

The Final Hour will not come until the river Euphrates (which flows through Syria and Iraq and finally opens in the Gulf) will disclose a mountain of gold over which people will fight and die Abu Hurairah reported that the Messenger of Allah said:

"The shall not occur until the Euphrateswill disclosea mountain of gold, over which people will fight. 99 out of every hundred shall die, and every one of them shall say, 'perchance I shall be the one to succeed"
(Muslim)
In another narration we have been told that who ever is present at the time when the Euphrates discloses a mountain of gold should not take the gold.

This post has been edited by Janaat: Apr 30 2006, 10:00 PM

[haroonpk]

Good to see a topic from Imran Bashir, KamBakhat topic nahee banata aur doosron kay topics may hee zindagee guzaartaa hay

Have you heard, recenty I think somewhere in Punjab some men hijacked one bus and one of them claimed to be Mehdi they were armed too.. The police arrested them and prisioned them for endangering the lives of people -- Dont know exact dates but saw on Geo tv

The problem is the Name -->> "Ahmed" some of the persons with this name feels of being Mehdi

But they forget to think that Iman Mehdi will not claim himself to be Mehdi, he will be on run and hiding from others but at last will be found by people

And yes Imam Mehdi will come before the day of judgement and he will do his jobs as said by our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and will not just come and leave the world leaving behind all the mess of wars and mischieves in this world

Thanks

Kam Samajh

[Imran Bashir]

Right about now our 'Ahmedi' peeps must be feeling rather in a small minority. hehe. It sux doesnt it to be a minority!? no matter how much you sugar coat it, with promises of redemption.. heavenly glory, saving ur skin from hellfire.. Aah yes, the lucarative title of the Mahdi is also used in Frank Herbert's "DUNE" novels. Although his stories were MUCH better than the Islamic ones.

[Morg]

link

there are more people than these who claimed to be mahdis.
many of these claimants got sects called after themselves too
some are perished and some still are around

currently there are more than 20 mahdist sects which are alive in south east asia.

and there is a new sect developed after a man called Gohar shah. his sect is called goharshahis.

[Imran Bashir]

Such cheap shots at Glory these men take... tsk tsk. In my opinion they are/were all talk and no smack.

[danyal]

Listen to these talks on The Hereafter-From Death To the Afterlife by Anwar al Awlaki. Excellent talks i advise everyone to listen to them and pass them on.

It's in 8 parts

1 Importance of Afterlife

2 Ending of Life to The Grave

3 Minor Signs before the Day of Judgement - Part 1

4 Minor Signs before the Day of Judgement - Part 2

5 Major signs of the Day of Judgement

6 Hell Fire & the Day Of Judgement

7 Paradise - Part 1

8 Paradise - Part 2

[WhyToBan_MP19]

Is any 'Mahdi' missed!? So boys and girls.. which is one if the Real Mahdi!? Or none of them? Should make up for a 'spicy' topic.

I guess Imam Mahdi him self don’t know that he is a Mahdi…

[NightmareGirl]

psychos

This post has been edited by NightmareGirl: May 3 2006, 10:06 PM

[Imran Bashir]

psychos

Careful now.. u 'might' offend a few of them Mahdi followers here. The Mahdi Lotto carries on....

[NightmareGirl]

arghh.. i had a lot to say n wrote thrice in diff ways n figured everything i said could be very offensive to some ... so ended up writing this.. this aint nuthin

[Waqas 411]

Wow, what a coincidence, I was reading about the Baha earlier today! When I read some of their rules (well, lots of them), it's basically Islam with options to pray prayers of choice, etc.

[Morg]

^^ yes bahais is almost similiar to islam. they have derived theyr traditions from the shia sect. and then mixed with alot of other religions including forming theyr own centralasation of theyr own leaders

it all started when a shia scholar who were highly respected among his followers had completed a madrassah / madhabb within the shia fiqh. just as the sunnis have hanafi, shafei, hanbali and maliki, the shia madhabbs developed much later. during and after the safavid control the most famous is usoolis, who believe in marjah/ayatollah who they believe has the highest authority. while the akbari believe that marjas/ayatollahs is not to be followed and rather rely on books. the shaykhis (the new one) believe in sufism and shiism mixed

Shaykh Ahmad i ahsai had a student who led the shaykhi fraction after ahsais death. his name was Syed Kazim Rashti he during his leadership meanth that the mahdi would soon come (remember shia believe that the mahdi is already here but is hidden) Rashti meanth that he would come as soon he died. as soon as he died his students one of them Mullah Husayn led a action to find the mahdi. Husayn claimed to find one, the bab (means the door(gate) who had earlier claimed to be a mahdi. husayn joined his ranks and the bab got stronger by the years.
Bab foretold that after his death (remember the mahdi would make peace on earth, make the advent of jesus (As), and rule for some years...) that after the babs death there would come another man who would be the saviour of human kind. although after bab the man bahaullah claimed to be this man. (i think bahaullah means door of allah , nauzobillah)
later on a split made two sects of this group. one is called Azalis/babis, while the other more fmaous is bahai religious movement

they are considered non muslims by muslims. and they themselves claim to be non muslims. they believe in one unity of all religions. thereby rejecting to be muslims , but they have great respect for mohammad saww.

[Destino]

Imran,

If a hadith contains a prophecy and it is fulfilled, why would you deny it. Double eclipse has happened in Ramadhan, seen all over the world and a claimant was present at that time. Enough proof of the authenticity of the prophecy.

The donkey of Dajjal running above the clouds, eating fire and breathing smoke and jumping from continent to continent is here, so the Dajjal should be here too. If Dajjal is here, then the slayer of Dajjal should be around too.

[Imran Bashir]

Imran,

If a hadith contains a prophecy and it is fulfilled, why would you deny it. Double eclipse has happened in Ramadhan, seen all over the world and a claimant was present at that time. Enough proof of the authenticity of the prophecy.

For your kind, perhaps. You know of a people who take everything based on a metaphor, you guys really did take the Dual Eclipse for what it really is supposed to be, however the rest you presume metaphorically... Just something I find sort of odd...


^Dont tell me the donkey is now a 747!?
Dont u just love the innuendos Islamic prophecies contain?

[☆Sitara☆™]

Destino>>it is of no use to cast pearls before swines...only the eyes which can see the light will see it...rest will all stay ignorant and blind...or may be will learn the hard way...sometimes i feel in logoon peh ub toh dua bhi nahi lagti...

[Imran Bashir]

Destino>>it is of no use to cast pearls before swines...only the eyes which can see the light will see it...rest will all stay ignorant and blind...or may be will learn the hard way...sometimes i feel in logoon peh ub toh dua bhi nahi lagti...

Aah yes.. calling people swines, thats what Mirza Ghulam Ahmed showed you guys. You were a minority 100 years ago.. and still are a minority. That speaks volumes as the effectiveness of Ghulam Ahmed's cult. Besides.. Trusting a DESI dude to be ANYTHING of a messiah!? Grow up yaar.. Desi people are no1 in Fraud all over the globe.

[Destino]

Calm down imran, Swine is a metaphoric name for twisted people. I dont expect twisted minded people to grow snouts and start rolling in their own excrement, but I can visualize that their psychology is no different then such creatures.

I will bring you the words of ahadith and you try explaining them. Mind you, these ahadith have been around for more than 1000 years.

From Mishkaat, Kitaabul Fitan, Page 477 (as quoted by Baihqi), Narrated by Abu Huraira (ra) that RusoolAllah (saw) said that Dajjal will come out riding such a donkey which will shine like a moon and will have the distance of 70 hands between its ears.

Regarding the same donkey it is writeen in Kanzul Ummal Vol 7, page 298, that "the distance between its two steps will be of one night and day."

Another book Nuzhatul Majalis even quotes the following,
"The distance between its tow stops will be of three days. Earth will be shrunk for it even that it will surpass the sun when travelling to the west. Dajjal will dive in the sea with his donkey. "(Vol 1, Page 109)

Kanzul Ummal quotes "Infront of it (the donkey) will be a mountain of Smoke. " (Page 298, Vol 7)

Buhaar ul Anwaar quotes "It will have lights inside it and many doors and windows (surroji wal furooji)." ( Vol 3, Page 64)

And these ahadith are taken from the books not among the Sihah e Sitta, yet even these have come true with amazing detail. Can you deny any of the above on the basis of any logic?

[☆Sitara☆™]

Aah yes.. calling people swines, thats what Mirza Ghulam Ahmed showed you guys. You were a minority 100 years ago.. and still are a minority. That speaks volumes as the effectiveness of Ghulam Ahmed's cult. Besides.. Trusting a DESI dude to be ANYTHING of a messiah!? Grow up yaar.. Desi people are no1 in Fraud all over the globe.

you are a desi guy too so u r a fraud as well arent you? the only thing u know to do is to make fun of other religions even of yours own...to play around with one person than with another...insult them both mentally and physically and then say hmm why cant i be a maseeeha... YOU GROW UP.

[Imran Bashir]

Calm down imran, Swine is a metaphoric name for twisted people.

Haha.. Metaphorically Speaking. lol. Never give up that logic train do you?

I will bring you the words of ahadith and you try explaining them. Mind you, these ahadith have been around for more than 1000 years.

From Mishkaat, Kitaabul Fitan, Page 477 (as quoted by Baihqi), Narrated by Abu Huraira (ra) that RusoolAllah (saw) said that Dajjal will come out riding such a donkey which will shine like a moon and will have the distance of 70 hands between its ears.

Regarding the same donkey it is writeen in Kanzul Ummal Vol 7, page 298, that "the distance between its two steps will be of one night and day."

Another book Nuzhatul Majalis even quotes the following,
"The distance between its tow stops will be of three days. Earth will be shrunk for it even that it will surpass the sun when travelling to the west. Dajjal will dive in the sea with his donkey. "(Vol 1, Page 109)

Kanzul Ummal quotes "Infront of it (the donkey) will be a mountain of Smoke. " (Page 298, Vol 7)

Buhaar ul Anwaar quotes "It will have lights inside it and many doors and windows (surroji wal furooji)." ( Vol 3, Page 64)

And these ahadith are taken from the books not among the Sihah e Sitta, yet even these have come true with amazing detail. Can you deny any of the above on the basis of any logic?

Before I try explaining a 'Prophecy' which sounds in my personal opinion like gibberish, why dont you enlighten us as to what do YOU think these 'Metaphors' mean? Its so much easy for me to make an argument if you yourself give me the ammunition.

[Waqas 411]

I think (key word: THINK) that there are supposed to be 30 claiming themselves to be Mahdi before the final one appears. That means 19 more to go?

[Destino]

I think they refer to all the modes of transport of modern era.

[Imran Bashir]

Of all the things.. how come Airforce 1 gets to be a 'Donkey' !?!? These guys need to seriously check their metaphorical train.

[Paganater]

you are a desi guy too so u r a fraud as well arent you?

But he's not going to far as to say hes a Messiah.

[☆Sitara☆™]

As far as i know him he can even claim to be God...anyways i dont want to aruge about it all as in the end no one cares....