Mujaddid, who is this.. Options

[Morg]

a mujaddid, or a reformer , we have heard of this many times. but i dont know much about what a mujaddid is. can you guys please explain to me
and give me examples of more mujaddids

i know of these mujaddids i dont know if they all are


Imam Noman abu Hanifa
Abdul Qadir Jillani
Ibn Taymiyya
Alif Sani



heresa a link where i found something informatic
Link

in where this comes up

Ahaadith in Mishkaat about Allah sending a Mujaddid at the beginning of ever century.

please give a list of possible mujaddids of every century too

[cr33d]

What about Imam Ghazzali?

[Morg]

i have heard the name but who is he and what is a mujaddid and why ... can you refere to some hadiths that says it will come mujaddids

[Morg]

i found a list on the net. which tells about the mujaddids

link
in here imam ahmad raza khan bareilly is also mentioned

A LIST OF KNOWN MUJADDIDS FROM THE FIRST CENTURY:

1st CENTURY :

a. Sayyiduna Imam Umar bin Abdul Aziz (radi Allahu anhu)

2nd CENTURY :

a. Imam Hassan Basri,

b. Imam Muhammad bin Hassan Shaibani,

c. Imam Maalik bin Anas,

d. Imam Abdullah bin Idrees Shafi'i

(radi Allahu anhuma)

3rd CENTURY :

a. Imam Abul Hassan bin Umar,

b. Imam Ahmad bin Hambal

(radi Allahu anhuma)

4th CENTURY :

a. Imam Tahtaawi,

b. Imam Isma'eel bin Hammaad Ja'fari,

c. Imam Abu Jaafar bin Jareer Tibri,

d. Imam Abu Haatim Raazi

(radi Allahu anhuma)

5th CENTURY :

a. Imam Abu Naeem Isfahani,

b. Imam Abul Hussain Ahmad bin Muhammad Abi Bakr-il-Qaadir,

c. Imam Hussain bin Raaghib,

d. Imam Muhammad bin Muhammad Ghazzali

(radi Allahu anhuma)

6th CENTURY :

a. Imam Abul Fadhl Umar Raazi,

b. Allamah Imam Umar Nasfi,

c. Imam Qaazi Fakhrud'Deen Hassan Mansoor,

d. Imam Abu Muhammad Hussain bin Mas'ood Fara'a

(radi Allahu anhuma)

7th CENTURY :

a. Allamah Imam Abul Fadhl Jamaaluddeen Muhammad bin Afriqi Misri,

b. Imam Sheikh Shahbuddeen Suharwardi,

c. Kwaja Muhi'yuddeen Chishti Ajmeri,

d. Imam Abul Hassan Uz'zuddeen Ali bin Muhammad Ibn Atheer,

e. Imam Sheikh Akbar Muhi'yuddeen Muhammad ibn Arabi

(radi Allahu anhuma)

8th CENTURY :

a. Imam Taaj'uddeen bin Ata'ullah Sikandari,

b. Kwaja Nizaamuddeen Awliyah Mahboob-e-Ilahi,

c. Imam Umar bin Mas'ood Taftazaani

(radi Allahu anhuma)

9th CENTURY :

a. Imam Hafiz Jallaluddeen Abu Bakr Abdur Rahmaan Suyuti,

b. Imam Nooruddeen bin Ahmad Misri,

c. Imam Muhammad bin Yusuf Karmani,

d. Imam Shamsuddeen Abul Kheyr Muhammad bin Abdur Rahmaan Sakhawi,

e. Allamah Imam Sayed Shareef Ali bin Muhammad Jarmaani

(radi Allahu anhuma)

10th CENTURY :

a. Imam Shahabuddeen Abu Bakr Ahmad bin Muhammad Khatib Qistalaani,

b. Imam Muhammad Sharbini,

c. Allamah Sheikh Muhammad Taahir Muhaddith

(radi Allahu anhuma)

11th CENTURY :

a. Imam Ali bin Sultaan Qaari,

b. Imam Sheikh Ahmad Sarhindi Mujaddid-e-Alf Thaani,

c. Sultaanul Arifeen Imam Muhammad Baahu

(radi Allahu anhuma)

12th CENTURY :

a. Allamah Mawlana Imam Abul Hassan Muhammad bin Abdul Haadi Sindhi,

b. Imam Abdul Ghani Taablisi,

c. Sheikh Ahmad Mulla Jeewan

(radi Allahu anhuma)

13th CENTURY :

a. Imam Abdul Ali Luckhnowi,

b. Imam Sheikh Ahmad Saadi Maaliki,

c. Allamah Imam Ahmad bin Ismaeel Tahtaawi,

d. Allamah Shah Abdul Azeez Muhaddith-e-Delhwi

(radi Allahu anhu)

14TH CENTURY:

IMAM-E-AHLE SUNNAH, QAMI-E-BID'AT, MUJADDID-E-AZAM, A'LA HADRAT, ASH SHAH IMAM AHMED RAZA KHAN (RADI ALLAHU ANHU)

[cr33d]

Oh yeah Imam Maaliki,

do you have any information about the blind sheikh of Egypt? Kishk was his name I think...

[insha_ji]

Morg there is only one mujadid for each century not more than one. The hadith of Holy Prophet (saw) mentions that there will be a mujadid at the begning of each century..
i perosonaly wont agree with the list that you had provided becuase it goes against the saying of Holy Prophet (saw).

[Morg]

^^ yes the list does. but do you have any list of every mujaddid of every century. and is ther emore hadiths telling that please give referance.

[waqasm]

let me tell you something Morg miya .. its a hopeless cause trying to find a single mujadid for each century.. The unbiased students of islam do not even try...

Just to give you an example of what sort of crap you would end up at your hands.. Ibn Taymiyya is revered by the modern "salafis" but the people who think Ahmed Raza Khan Brelvi was a mujadid would fight you to death on this regard.. and vice versa, the salafis are gona chop ur head off if you argue with them that Ahmed Raza Khan Brelvi was a mujadid..

So i definetly not recommend the line insha ji is suggesting. Don't take me wrong insha ji. You are correct in asserting that only ONE person is the mujadid that the prophet promised. But considering the current psyche of the Muslim ummah, it wouldnt be a good idea to point to any single person ..

Btw Morg.. u do seem to come up with "unexpected" questions.. may i ask, what type of Islami Literature do you read?

[RoMi]

@MOrg, i think you have you answer. Don't ask "us" caz you know we'll mess up the definition of Mujadid..
btw..I think you can add Pir Mehr Ali Shah IRA) in the list. According to the definition of a Mujadid, he qualifies.
@insha Ji: I watch Dr.Isara Ahmed (though i don't agree with him on most topics) when he was asked about Muajadid. If i recall correctly, he said that Imam Noman abu Hanifa and Abdul Qadir Jillani were Mujadidins of their centuries.

[Morg]

let me tell you something Morg miya .. its a hopeless cause trying to find a single mujadid for each century.. The unbiased students of islam do not even try...

Just to give you an example of what sort of crap you would end up at your hands.. Ibn Taymiyya is revered by the modern "salafis" but the people who think Ahmed Raza Khan Brelvi was a mujadid would fight you to death on this regard.. and vice versa, the salafis  are gona chop ur head off if you argue with them that Ahmed Raza Khan Brelvi was a mujadid..

So i definetly not recommend the line insha ji is suggesting. Don't take me wrong insha ji. You are correct in asserting that only ONE person is the mujadid that the prophet promised. But considering the current psyche of the Muslim ummah, it wouldnt be a good idea to point to any single person ..

Btw Morg.. u do seem to come up with "unexpected" questions.. may i ask, what type of Islami Literature do you read?

hm thanx man, i think i got it now, i didnt thought of it before, couse the sunnis and wahabis have a bit different mujaddids so therefore a common line cant be showen.

but a complete line with alternatives from both the gorups can be shown and that would be clearifing

pluss if not the list then tell me something about the qualities of a mujaddid and what he is, where is he mentioned and all

and yeah. well i try to find out some easy things which i knew wery little of , as mujaddid, fiqas, ahle bait and sahabas... thanx

[Morg]

romi
peer mehar ali shah, i would certainly add him. but i dont know how to do so

couse peer mehar ali shah and ahmad raza khan bareilly were from the same group i mean both were peers and both were sunnis. not influented by salafi thought, and both came in the same period i think. therefore it would be something strange that two mujaddids are from the same group in the same period .

[waqasm]

I am YET to find the Hadith informing us of the Mujadid. The literature mentioned in the link you gave is quite obscure and I fear it has not been translated into english either.

If you are so much interested in developing a criterion for a mujadid, the first thing would be find some "hard" material which atleast mentions the "single" hadis that is so popular, yet not quoted in entirety .
Mujadid literally is going to upgrade our understanding of Islam, but would be completely on the right path in his understanding of the deen.. divinely inspired. In most matters which are dubious, you can atleast look back on the salafs and the sahabas for a better understanding, but "strangely" even as early as 10th century(AD) no body tried to make a record containing mujadids per century. Maybe it was a considered a time wasting effort ?? For a mujadid wouldnt declare himself a mujadid either..

P.S. I emailed you regarding "fiqa".. Not sure if you got it morg.. The term you were trying to use is "firka" as in sects....Fiq/Fiqh just means using your understanding of deen to derive rulings.. e.g. Imam Shaafi used fiqh to answer the problems the ummah is facing.. similarly all Imams or Mujatahids used fiqh. But remember, we cannot use fiqh for only a mujtahid is entitled to do so but we can try and understand a mujtahids "fiqh" before we apply it into our lives.

All the best!

[insha_ji]

List of Mujadids

1. Hazret Umer bin Abdul Aziz (rehmahollah taala)

2. Hazret Imam Shafi (rehamahollah Taala)

3. Hazret Abu Sharah (rehma taala) Hazret Abul Hassan Ashari (rh)

4. Hazret Abu Ubaidullah (rah) Qazi Abu Baker (Rh)

5. Hazret Imam Ghazali (rah)

6. Hazret Syed Abdul Qadir JIlani (rah)

7. Hazret Imam bin Tayyema (rah) Hazret Khuwaja Moienudin Chishti (rah)
8. Hazret Haji ibn Asqalani (rah) Hazret Saleh bin Umer (rah)

9. Hazret Imam sayyooti (rah)

10. Hazret Imam mohammad Tahir gujrati (rah)

11. Hazret Mujaded alif sani (rah)

12. Hazret Shah waliullah Mohadds Dhelvi (rah)

13. Hazret Syed AHmad Brailvi (rah)

14. Hazrat Imam Mehdi

[Morg]

thanx waqasm, but i ment fiqa as in fiq and not firka as in sect

insha ji. who is the imam mahdi... or you mean who WILL COME??
i mean we dont know when he will come, so why place him there. and beside where is the 14th mujaddid.

pluss were no one of the 4 imams mujaddids? i mean imam e azam hanif ..wasnt he a mujaddid? he was in the same period as umar bin abdul aziz, ... and i think imam hanif would be better in this matter...

[Morg]

pluss insha ji. imam ghazali and ghaus e azam abdul qadir jillani lived in the same period...

[insha_ji]

^^
look at the time period that they lived in you will see it clearly.

and According to my belief Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) was the mujadid for the 14th century and Imam mehdi / Promised Massiah.....

*** Ahmadiyya Belief***

This post has been edited by insha_ji: Mar 29 2005, 08:58 AM

[Morg]

pal i have seen the timeline of those men.

and i made myself a timeline on the basis of the information on the net.

i came forht to that

abdul qadir jillani and imam ghazali lived in the same time

ahmad raza khan bareilly and mirza qadiyani lived at the same time

umar bin abdul aziz lived at the same time as imam e azam noman ibn hanifa.

so who the line of mujaddids would be after what you believe in this case you have your line and i have mine. but i dont know for sure who to include in my line.


note
anyone , dont start with a qadiyani fight.

[insha_ji]

Morg lemme do some research on them i will get back to you on them ... also remember for being a mujadid they have to annouce that they are mujadid so if any of the above anouced to be mujadid than they are considerd as one.

[Morg]

imam ghazali (1058-1120)
ghaus e azam abdul qadir jillani (1078-1166)

umar bin abdul aziz/umar II (682-720)
imam noman ibn hanifa (689-765)

imam ahmed raza khan bareilly (1856-1921)
ghulam qadiyani (1839-1908)

most of theyr life they spent in the same timeperiod. +- 2 yrs

[Morg]

Morg lemme do some research on them i will get back to you on them ... also remember for being a mujadid they have to annouce that they are mujadid so if any of the above anouced to be mujadid than they are considerd as one.

claim only to be a mujaddi... no more.
hehe
you have to take in remind, that this mujaddid list has to fit the majority of muslims on this forum. if you know what i mean.

[insha_ji]

yup i understand that fully but even if many scholars lived at the same time, And they didnt annouce to be mujadid than they arnt mujadid for being a mujadid they have to annoucne it.

[waqasm]

^
A Mujaddid does not claim or specify himself as a Mujaddid. (Ta’leequs Sabeeh, Sharah Mishkaat, Vol. 1, Page 160, Iedhaahul Mishkaat, Sharah Mishkaat, Page 266) ??

"
Muhammad Zahid ibn Hasan al-Kawthari al-Hanafi al-Ash‘ari (1296-1371AH), the adjunct to the last Shaykh al-Islam of the Ottoman Caliphate and a major Hanafi jurist praised by Imam Muhammad Abu Zahra as a Reviver (mujaddid) of the fourteenth Islamic century. He studied under his father as well as the scholar of Qur’an and hadith Ibrahim Haqqi (d. 1345), Shaykh Zayn al-‘Abidin al-Alsuni (d. 1336), Shaykh Muhammad Khalis al-Shirwani, al-Hasan al-Aztuwa’i, and others. When the Caliphate fell he moved to Cairo, then Sham, then Cairo again until his death, where the late Shaykhs ‘Abd al-Fattah Abu Ghudda and ‘Abd Allah al-Ghumari became his students......"

http://sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00001936.aspx

This post has been edited by waqasm: Mar 29 2005, 10:21 AM

[patriotic pakist...]

Now wait a minute, I see whats goin on here You guys have taken almost every name but why are we forgetting MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD QADIYANI who is claimed to be the Mujaddid of 14th century
Also he claims to receieve reveletion. So in the opinion of Ahmadiya movement, he is both a mujaddid and a prophet (Astaghfirullah)

so we should also give a little importance to Ahmadiya movement's mujaddid

[waqasm]

nahin.. he has been included read post 17 !


more added later:
Found an article titled "recognizing the imam" in googles cache :S

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:Wp8sz...+mujaddid&hl=en

the original has been scrapped or maybe deleted( its long so PM me if it doesnt work and ill send it to you) It says that no body claimed to be a mujadid except Mirza Ghulam Ahmed!.. so he must be the one.. (this is from an Ahmedi (lahore group)site). Either the author was not aware of the above reference.. or differed in opinion. but IF the above given reference is correct, then Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, and Ibn Taymiyya both can be easily excluded from the list..

I asked you before as well to get some hard reference .. its not a good idea to just refer to internet references as most of us have done...



This post has been edited by waqasm: Mar 29 2005, 11:00 AM

[patriotic pakist...]

Oyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
I was just joking and someone got serious enought ot write his name as mujaddid.
Now whosoever wrote Mirza Qadiyani as a reformer and mujaddid has to prove in the court of muziqpakistan whether he was

1) A mujaddid/reformer OR
2) A nabi (Prophet)
3) Or both

Astaghfirullah ....................... the confusion is evident

[waqasm]

We are NOT going to argue about that one... read post 24 for more on him ..... . and yes any other suggestions would be welcome...morg needs help

This post has been edited by waqasm: Mar 29 2005, 11:21 AM

[Morg]

i said it earlier we dont need a qadiyani fight, and i told that the mujaddids has to represent the majority, it will say the sunnis.

so please dont destroy the site. but everyone is welcome to post theyr list. waqsm i havent heard of tha guy you mentioned

pluss
why exclude ibn taymiyya from the list, he newer claimed to be a mahdi...

[LuXoR]

Interesting topic... but please spare us off Qadiani/Ahmadi debates. We've had a very in-depth "discussion/debate" once, and you may reference that if you wish.

insha_ji clearly indicated it to be his belief, and that's his right, so we may well ignore it.

[waqasm]

Dearest Morg.. Tell me how much do you know about Imam Abu Naeem Isfahani? How many books did he write? Was he a fiqh specialist or a Hadith Collector? Does he have a school?

The reason i presented Muhammad Zahid ibn Hasan al-Kawthari al-Hanafi al-Ash‘ari was because i could guess from your posts that you havnt heard of him?? What good would be a gift of knowledge which you already have?

you are welcome to research up on him.. he is a candidate, like so many others..

And regarding ibn taymiyya.. did i say he claimed to be MAHDI?? im sorry if i did. haha.. Ibn Taymiyya claimed himself to be a Mujaddid.. that is why according to the reference you gave and my post #22 he would have to be excluded. Why not just keep it simple and collect as many names as possible? Like when i offered that you don't indulge in the topic, you asked for more names... i gave you a name and you dont like him??? haha


wasalaam

This post has been edited by waqasm: Mar 29 2005, 12:26 PM

[Morg]

^^ hey i didnt meanth any offence. i only asked for who this guy was couse in your description you only had some looong names. im sorry if i offended you, i agree we need to collect as many names as possible.

Muhammad Zahid ibn Hasan al-Kawthari al-Hanafi al-Ash‘ari (1296-1371AH), the adjunct to the last Shaykh al-Islam of the Ottoman Caliphate and a major Hanafi jurist praised by Imam Muhammad Abu Zahra as a Reviver (mujaddid) of the fourteenth Islamic century. He studied under his father as well as the scholar of Qur’an and hadith Ibrahim Haqqi (d. 1345), Shaykh Zayn al-‘Abidin al-Alsuni (d. 1336), Shaykh Muhammad Khalis al-Shirwani, al-Hasan al-Aztuwa’i, and others. When the Caliphate fell he moved to Cairo, then Sham, then Cairo again until his death, where the late Shaykhs ‘Abd al-Fattah Abu Ghudda and ‘Abd Allah al-Ghumari became his students......"

i havent heard anything of anyone of them. so please tell me more. it would be nice.